Saturday, November 10, 2007

Is Thor Bulletproof?

A couple days ago, images surfaced from the upcoming Thor #4, which feature Thor standing all badass-like while a group of militants proceed to unload several clips of ammo into our favourite Norse God. Typically, Thor's been portrayed as the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe and JMS's version has been shown to be no slouch in that regard. After seeing said images I thought to myself, "Self, Thor sure did show those bullets who's boss." and proceeded to go about my daily business.

Little did I know that the many fans of Thor were in bitter turmoil as they divided into various camps. On one side are the Thor diehards claiming that JMS deserves to be fired for making Thor bulletproof. On the other are the Thor faithful that believe it is foolish for Thor, a nigh invulnerable God, to not be bulletproof. He's a God that's taken attacks and energy blasts from Celestials for crying out loud. How could he be felled by a single bullet? Read on to find out.

Seeing the battle lines drawn in the sand, I thought to myself again, "Self, WTF are they talking about?" and decided to look into the matter myself only to find out, much to my own surprise, that Thor is actually deathly allergic to bullets!

Apparently, Thor has almost always been portrayed as lacking in the anti-bullet invulnerability department. Don't believe me? Here's what former Avengers scribe and fountain of knowledge, Kurt Busiek, had to say about the matter.

By the way, I've now read through the run of THOR, THUNDERSTRIKE, JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY and AVENGERS, and feel I'm able to make a judgment on whether Thor's bulletproof. I haven't reread two of the THOR Annuals, since they seem to have been misfiled, and I haven't reread either EMPEROR DOOM or I WHOM THE GODS WOULD DESTROY, since I'll be getting to the GNs at the end of this whole mess. But I've read the vast bulk of Thor appearances, so it's unlikely that there are any surprises awaiting.

And to absolutely nobody's surprise, the conclusion I reach from the data is that he's not bulletproof. He doesn't act as if he's bulletproof, he doesn't talk as if he's bulletproof, and we've seen his skin cut by blades. He says guns can kill him, and I'll take him at his word.

THOR #480, the one time we see bullets bounce off him, turns out not to be part of any recent accumulation of evidence -- it's the one and only time that this happens, and much of the scene violates earlier-established stuff. He claims that bullets don't puncture Asgardian skin, though Hogun was shot.

He apparently survives a point-blank hit by an air-to-air missile, when he's been knocked for a loop by less in the past. This scene simply contradicts the vast bulk of the other evidence.

So here's how I handle contradictions:

When a contradiction arises, it should be resolved in the way that disturbs the overall pattern the least; the way that requires the least amount of retconning. To decide that the scene is correct requires us to take large chunks of plot out of earlier stories (Hogun doesn't get wounded, the Asgardians have no reason to be impressed by automatic weapons and use them to invade Hel, etc.). But to decide that the scene is slightly incorrect requires only two minor fixes:

  1. When the plane fires at him, the scene is slightly misdrawn; what actually happens is the bullets all hit his armor, and the welts he's referring to are the welts caused by the impact of the bullets through the armor. Even such powerful gunfire can't do more than raise welts on Asgardian flesh through armor.
  2. When the missile hits him, he's intending to dodge at the last moment, but appears not to make it. However, that scene, too is slightly misdrawn; he actually did make it and was far enough away from the explosion to escape unaffected.

Those two changes preserve the sweep of Thor history with the most minimal of adjustments; everything else can then stay the same.

Hope that satisfies everyone -- I know there are people out there who'd like him to be bulletproof, but I hope they'll at least see that I gave it a fair shot, weighing all the evidence and coming to a conclusion based on what's in the actual books.

And I never did find that panel of him being shot in the shoulder. Maybe I'll run across it in MARVEL TEAM-UP, or TWO-IN-ONE, or a guest-shot somewhere...

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Clearly, JMS's resurrected Thor would be different from the typical portrayal of our favourite Norse God, but is making him bulletproof going too far? He's already removed the ye olde speech impediment, forever denying us any future "I would have words with thee!"'s.

Personally, I just found this way too random a story not to talk about. I just assumed Thor was bulletproof. He takes hits from the Hulk and blasts from Gods and Celestials and what have you. How could Random Thug #20383 kill the God of Thunder with a simple bullet?

I'm curious to see how everyone else weighs in on this. Did you know Thor wasn't bulletproof? Do you care if he is or isn't? Is JMS committing sacrilege or is this finally the proof of concept you needed in your quest to prove Thor was, indeed, bulletproof?


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12 comments:

Anonymous said...

I figured he was bulletproof as well. Seems pretty lame if a bullet could kill a god. I mean Superman can be killed from Kryptonite but that's relatively hard to get a hold of, anyone can get a gun and kill Thor. But hey, Kurt knows what he is talking about.

Anonymous said...

I am reminded of a certain Amazon warrior princess.

Kirk Warren said...

Is Wonder Woman not bulletproof either? I know she uses the wrist bands all the time, but I just thought that was being flashy or showing off.

Anonymous said...

kurt is a tard.

here, I'll help him out. JMS thor > all other incarnations.

Matthew said...

I can see a situation where 'technology' could overcome an Asgardian, but then you'd have to hold him to the same standard with regards to techno-laser-thingumajigs too.

Kirk Warren said...

@Anonymous (2nd one), JMS Thor is not even in the same league as Walt Simonson's. He's written 3 issues where the only thing Thor has done is beat up Tony Stark, who JMS wrote grossly out of character.

It's a decent start to his series, but to claim it's greater than every other version is a bit premature and shows a lack of knowledge of the character's past.

I do, however, agree, although a little less harshly, that Busiek is off his rocker if he thinks Thor can be killed by a bullet.

Unknown said...

Here's how I often viewed it:

Thor is a God, yes. And he's an incredibly powerful God, as these things go.

HOWEVER, Thor is, first and foremost, a warrior. He's been trained for battle for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Sure, at some point, guns were a new and nifty and formidble thing to him, whether they could hurt him or not. At the end of the day, however, they were just the slings, bows and arrows and whatnot of the modern world. As a warrior, he was trained to avoid being hurt in battle unless it was absolutely necessary.

Under this reasoning, we've frequently seen Thor, Cap and plenty of other people avoid, rather than no-sell, attacks that would have no effect on them had they bothered to stand there. It's training, pure and simple. Because you never know when it'll be the little bullet(stone, arrow, random piece of city building, etc) that doesn't necessarily hurt, but prvides the setup for someone or something to do some real damage.

Since this Thor is all about proving he is the real deal, he's taking a tactical chance that these guys opening fire on him won't get lucky, or have something bigger and nastier in reserve, with the bullets a distraction.

Unknown said...

I always assume that any super strong character has to be a lot more resistant to damage then a normal person.
If I hit a brick wall as hard as I can I break my hand, if I hit it twice that hard I would probably break my arm too.
If you're 10x stronger then me unless you really want to hurt yourself a lot you'd best be able to take 10x as much damage as me.
On a good day I can press 400 pounds a ton is 5x that Thor as I recall is in the 75-100 ton range that's 375x as strong as me. He needs be be really resistant to damage.
At least that's how I see it

Anonymous said...

Hello there! :)

The simple fact of the matter is that Kurt Busiek is wrong for no other reason than Thor has withstood the punches of beings who deal damage far in excess of mere bullets (of any calibre) and thats even taking into account the penetration power of the bullet acting upon such a small surface area.

Even Spiderman is dealing about 2 Megajoules of energy with each punch (based on 10-ton lifting strength). Thats about half a kilo of TNT exploding in your face when he hits you. Surface area may be 100 times as great as a typical handgun bullet but the punch was already over 2000 times as powerful to begin with.

A character capable of lifting 100 Tons will punch delivering about 400 Megajoules. Akin to 100 kilos of TNT exploding in your face. Thor has taken punches from beings who greatly exceed the 100 ton figure.

So when Kurt says any contradiction should be resolved in the way that disturbs the overall pattern the least he fails to take into account virtually every punch landed upon Thor in the comics - each of which contradicts his preposterous bullet vulnerable Thor claim.

Unknown said...

In all Thor's carrer there's one issue where he isn't bulletproof while tons of others (including jet's bullets) that indicates he is.
Recently in Thor:God of thunder saga he took an entire squadron of mercenaries, high tech/caliber weapons, helicopter machine-gun like it was nothing.

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